Monday, August 12, 2013

The 12th house Synastry: Love behind the scenes

The mysterious, elusive, highly psychic, mostly unconscious and spiritual house of Neptune is now my favorite. Although this house offers both our soul mate or our enemy, along with our fears, phobias, and those things we are not conscious of that we do that somehow undermine our happiness. This house offers the opportunity to discover these things, sometimes it's painful other times it's purely magical and offers us the opportunity to overcome our fears, get in touch with part of us we didn't know, uncover hidden talents, and secrets, and uncover the mystical, and spiritual side of life.

In synastry when people impact this house, there is a sort of confessional that occurs, even if neither one really speaks much. The relationship functions mostly on an unconscious level, but there can be much confusion as a result.  

12th house relationships are Karmic, this house holds many lifetimes of memories and typically the planet person has insight into the things the house person is totally unaware of or not conscious of.

 If the house person has unconscious fears or hidden talents, and a past of bravery or misfortune, the planet person can convey these things to the house person often without even realizing it.

In the positive the planet person can help the house person overcome their fears, discover hidden talents, and even highly beneficial awareness of certain traits. In the negative the planet person can use these insights to hurt the house person, by pointing out weakness, or simply playing on them. 

On can feel invaded in this house being such a private house and it truly depends on the planet involved and the sign on the cusp of the 12th house. 

The 12th house is of water, highly psychic and deeply spiritual, that relationships that enter this house are highly impressionable, they will leave their mark.




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31 comments :

  1. i have a guy who i'm so into him , he have his sun, venus, mercury and jupiter in gemini on my 12th house. He seem to know all about me even i don't tell or exposed my darkest psyche to him. He understands me in a very deep level. It's strange that i always dream about him. I'm so sad that he choose to be with someone else. His response have a huge impact upon me. I couldn't forget him until now. I agree with your experience. He have deep psychic connection upon me, where he called me at a right time. It's all about 12th house.

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    1. I feel you, kak.. Im the planet person, in which im the venus, he's the house person. I can feel him, seeing many good things in him that he never aware. i guess if the house person is non-scorpionic, or less-scorpionic perhaps, they won't run away scared because they feel they are exposed, lol
      If the house person is heavy-scorpio people, hmm don't even think aboutt having relationship with this peeps, they will ruuuuunnnn away asap no matter how much you mean to them. we are creepy to them, but cant seem to let us go. what a selfish!
      so far i have involved in guys where my venus lied in their twelve house, it was love but felt like hidden agenda, holly crap! I love them unconditionally, to the point like they are flawless in my eyes. but they just made it private. such beautiful love, they put it behind the scene.

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  2. Hi Aida! Thanks for sharing your experience:) Very psychic this 12th house Synastry, you really feel connected regardless if you are together or not it's like you exist on another plane 0:

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  3. GemRisingSagMoonLibraSunSeptember 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    Very interesting article! I have recently encountered a gentleman whose Gem Sun, Mercury, Tau Mars and North Node falls in my 12th. My Lib Sun and Jupiter falls in his 12th. We also have vertex conjuct Asc. Double whammies. My 12th house Saturn conjunct his NN and His Chiron and Saturn conjunct my NN. A stripping of the egos for sure! Definitely feels fated/destined/telepathic/psychic. I dream of him a lot. Lot's of non-verbal communicating. We easily know what the other needs without words. I resonate with the guy you wrote about in your article. The water faucet with no shut off valve, lol. I have found myself on a couple of occasions asking, "Why in the world did I just tell him that?" Although my guy is very vulnerable with me as well, he is still more controlled than I, in the sharing of deeper things (probably his Scorp rising). At least I know now that I'm not the only one spilling my water in the 12th house, lol. Thanks for being so detailed. :) Would also love to read about Double Whammies in the 12th if you have any info.

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  4. Hi GeminiRising! thanks for visiting! Ha interesting this 12th house isn't it? Double whammies in my opinion are like gateways of energy between the two people the energy is mutual, open, and receptive- going both ways. The only thing is boundaries, extremely psychic and and very empathetic which makes it very hard to set boundaries with a double whammy especially involving Neptune or the 12th house. I will try to expand on it in greater detail for ya, so check back:)

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  5. could you explain in detail why this weird connection happens in this 12th house? i had experience with a guy who have 4 benefic planets in my 12th house. He could communicate with my soul because he could explained my secret desire without boundaries.I had erotic dreams about him a lot. Those this mean that he's thinking about me a lot too? So strange in this 12th house.

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  6. Hi Aida! Im so sorry for the delay! I've been rather busy these days but am always happy to answer questions:) The 12th house is about as mysterious and the afterlife! But we do know a lot more about it than we did some time ago. The 12th house is the house of the spirit, it's deep and mysterious, and usually where we find our guides, angels or demons. Its vague, wet, murky and the fog is dense, we need to rely on our intuition, but our intuition is skewed here, so what is one to do? When wondering around in someones 12th or they in yours? Be direct, ask questions, dig deep, ask for proof and confirmation. You need to be clear in areas such as this, find out why you met this person or they you? more than likely you will see, there is a very big reason:) Often they are a teacher when it's a good person, or you have something to teach them. These are people who souls we touch and theirs ours.

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  7. Thanks for the 12th house information. Now i understand the mystery of the house that touch our soul. It's true that when someone touches our soul in deep connection, they could teach us a lesson. I have known that this house related to karmic connection. We face the same situation when someone touch our 12th house. Here are the examples i want to share with you. For example, my first ex BF married to the woman, who was his course mate. This woman matched all of his criteria (tall, slim & fair). I also faced this same situation from my present crush whom he married with the woman same as my first ex BF criteria. It's difficult to let go with the person who touch our 12th house. All of the guys whom I'm involved above have stellium especially benefic planets in my 12th house. In future, i'll try to do some research about this mysterious house according to my religion. Any info i'll share with you later.

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  8. Hi Aida, very interesting what you say.. Well you know, Neptune rules the 12th house, which is idealization, so in a sense these people will appear to be our ideal! I would be very interested as always in hearing about any findings or further experience or information you can conjur up!

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  9. I have neptune (Sagitarius) in my 7th house with Gemini rising. I attracted those people in my relationship. As you said, these people were my ideal. =)

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  10. I have a very bad experience with someone's mars on my 12th house. Why this could be happen? It is because mars is a harsher planet?

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  11. Hi Aida! Mars is a aggressive action oriented planet and again as always it would depend on the individual who is activating your 12th house. This is a very private house, and it holds all of our self conscious fears, most of the time we don't like this house activated especially if this is a person that will use this against us.
    If the Mars person is selfish and self-serving, he or she may use their knowledge of your bad habits, blind spots and personality weaknesses to manipulate or hurt you. The 12th house person often has difficulty seeing the true nature of the planet and in the extreme this person might actually encourage you to become your own worst enemy. If the person is a good person they can point out our weaknesses and bring them to light so we can move forward with the knowledge that they have to help us be more aware of our unconscious behaviors. Sounds like your experience was on the negative side. Where their intention was not to help but to hurt. And for that I am sorry you had to experience that. Take it like a grain of salt and more of insecurity on their behalf. Because people that are confident don't usually like to point out other's weakness's or make them feel bad.

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  12. I, like YOU much prefer the beneficial planets:)

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  13. I have someone venus conjunct my pluto in my 12th house . It s killing me . Absolutely killing me .

    He was in love then all of a sudden he wasn't and said we couldn't sleep together anymore . So we became " friends" . Friendship ... Argh ... Making me suck because I still have high hopes . I would love to know why suddenly he stopped wanting me as a woman ...

    Very confusing . We re still connected somehow bit in a weird way :(

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  14. Hi,
    this is illuminating reading for me :)
    Recently one man has very special influence on me and his Sun, Mars, Moon and Mercury (although Mercury is very close to my Asc) fall in my 12th house.
    He just gets me like no one does, or ever did. But, he is the one who has been a sort of confessional from the very beginning. And he keeps saying that he feels like he knows me for 100 years, so familiar, and that he just knows I would understand him no metter what. And I do, I don't ever want to judge or criticize him. I just listen and really wish to support him.
    On the other hand, I don't even have to speak, he just knows what to say to make me feel better. And ever since we started communicating I have that strange feeling of telepathic connection between us.
    Is it possible that this 12th house influence works so strong with people who never met in person?
    We don't know each other in RL and I don't know how that is going to work out when we meet.
    My Pluto square his Sun/Mars kazimi conjunction, within 0 degrees. And with that 12th house influence and everything I read about Mars in 12th house I started asking myself if I should stay away from him. I don't know if I am able to, honestly.
    This really feels like karmic bond.

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    1. Yes i do believe it possible to work even if you have not physically met as crazy as that sounds, my experience with this house has shown it to be a very magical house, that has roots in the past. I have had a couple of encounters in which I felt bad vibes but the others were unbelievably psychic and strangely accepting and confessional, I personally really like this house but I also know quite a few that have had very poor experiences, so the negative does need to be warned. But really what you also might be feeling is the Pluto Square Sun as well, that is another energy in itself that draws two people like Moth to flame:) the 12th house has roots in the past and most certainly is Karmic so perhaps that explains why it can go either way.

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  15. iRecently i have met a guy in my office whose north node conjuct my 12th house where is my moon and mars. and my northnode conjuct on his jupiter and saturn on my 2nd house. after 2/3 months later i came to know that he has girlfriend somewhere in another country. few months later he married her. but initially he said so many kind words to me. he still talks with a kind voice which i hate of being him a hypocrite.what does the whole thing means? was it really necessary to get hurt in a same manner once again after 7 years? afterall i suspected him of being phony and saw a fakeness in his eyes.it's not that i have not learned from the previous lesson.

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  16. Hi Sharmeen, I am very sorry, unfortunately 12th house connections can sometimes reflect deceptions, it is the house of hidden things, secrets etc.. I can not understand entirely the situation just based on those aspects there is a lot to Astrology I would need to see all the charts in order to properly comment any further. However, I am sorry for your pain, and I guess the upside is you don't need to be deceived anymore the truth is out. Best wishes to you dear, you will find the right one for you, be patient and don't accept anything less!

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  17. Helo There,

    Last year I was @ a party, with my friends. I remember I was passing by a tall guy, and in a quick thaught, I thaught: this one looks very handsome. But I didn't consider him anymore. During the night I could feel his eyes, some times resting on me. An at one point he came to me, looked me in the eyes...and asked me: " do I know you?" From there on, things never became the same anymore. I felt, I felt sooo hard, in a glance, while looking in his eyes, and feeling like I had know this person for ages. Feeling an intense attraction but beyond the physical, even that he was the personification for what I find attractive in the opposite sex. I loved his soul. From the start. I could feel something so deep. We started off some kind of bizar friendship in where I felt like a teacher towards a child, I always pulling, he always coming towards me, and then everytime when he came, he ran away, literally, like he got burned or something. It was a weird sort of dance, attract/ repulse. He left few weeks after we met for a travel for six months. I thaught his strange behavior had something to do with this. I kept believing he felt the same as I did, but that for this reason he couldnt give into it. Cause he had to be free. Months passed, in where I was writing him letters, telling him about life, telling him about astrology. I made our synastry. And I discovered that I had a stellium of Sun, mars, Mercury and venus in his twelfth house, while his planets sun, moon, venus, mars, jupiter, neptune where all in my seventh house.His AC opposite's my venus.Our Sun Mutually Aspects Pluto aswell as Moon Mutually Aspects Mars. this was all chinese for him but for me it was the confirmation Of I had felled. I didnt want to talk about it untill he would be back home. so we didnt mentioned it untill the last month, i couldnt stand it anymore, and i wanted clairity, if he ever had felt for me. He said, he hadn't and he just hoped we could be good friends when he returned. For one odd reason I never completely believed him. when i came back there was this weird thing between us. I started with an other guy, who is really good for me and is a good match. But I ve never felt what I have felt for this other guy..and still sometimes feel. like sort of obession, that I can not let go off. He is the same, because even if there is nothing that ties us, in any way, we would still feel like inclined to keep communicating. As if something beyond ourself is guiding us....what is this shit, ive been asking me many many times...and is there a way to get over this??

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    1. Hi, 12th house placements are highly impressionable, they stay with you long after because it's a highly idealized house, be careful you can easily fool yourself. Disappointments come because we think there is something more even when the person has clearly said there's not. I am not saying there is not a spiritual/psychic or unconscious connection but don't assume he has other feelings than what he has clearly said. It's very common to do with placements in this house.

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  18. Hello Everyone,

    I can relate to alot of the post that I've read. My moon falls in someone's 12th house. This is the 1st time I've ever felt like I've met my other half.. my soulmate. It's such a surreal feeling. From all levels! Spirtual, Telepathic, Emotionally, Karmic, & Soulful. It's as if its a fairytale, make belive love and Im in a dream. To the point it's hard to explain to others especially because we're no longer together. But yet together telepathically and spirtually. I know it sounds crazy. It's as if nither of us are ready to let go fully.

    We also share moon Conj Mars, moon and Pluto Conj & trine. Venus trine Pluto, sun and Saturn trine. I love everything about astrology. Especially natal charts and composite charts. I would love to here anyone's feedback.

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    1. I know exactly what you mean and boy is it hard to wrap your head around 12th house connections, there are other worldly and they leave a deep impression that is hard to shake off. Not without good reason, psychic and spiritual connections are not all that common, but they show us what exists beyond this physical world. Your not crazy 12th house connections can stick to your bones.

      Anyone else care to share?

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    2. Just a added general observation for everyone.

      The 12th house and Neptune can be very painful, the lingering kind. Sometimes because we were deluded by the other, sometimes because we deluded ourselves, or saw things that were not really there at all, we felt they were, but that's not what they were. Or they saw things in us that were not really there whether good or bad.

      Neptune idealizes, and makes everything much more beautiful it rules feelings of ecstacy, perfection and the feelings of soulmates but he's a tricky fella once we fall from the high, it's hard to get over.

      It's not usually til much later we want to slap ourselves when the Neptune fog clears and reality set's in. We finally realize wait, where are they, why are they not here if we feel so strongly about each other? why am I'm alone. Ouch!

      We do not see clearly, we imagine things differently than they are, we trust, we assume, we are not working with facts but what we want to believe and feelings.

      Neptune can be downright painful, intentionally or not, he's the master illusionist and we can easily get tripped up in fantasy that is not really real at all. Uck.... ouch ouch!

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  19. I just recently met someone by accident online (a learning site.) We have our suns, moons, venus and mars all the same sign and his neptune falls into my 12th house. I also have a stellium of 5 planets in my 8th house so I tend to be highly intuitive already. Strangely enough, I found that I had this very weird feeling of being ill for a couple days and almost felt like I might pass out, but it wasn't like it really felt like I was ill (difficult to explain.) I also was getting crazy muscle twitches. On the second day of this happening, he told me that it was weird because he was going through the same thing because of a blood sugar problem where his blood sugar was going too low. And he's had a muscle twitch problem for years. I then felt like the reason why it felt strange to me seemed to be that I was picking up his symptoms rather than experiencing illness myself (there was also "a fog" kind of feel to it too.) I've also found when we fought and were out of touch, I could feel how upset and rattled he was when he couldn't reach me. Now, I broke off the friendship and he can't contact me. Last night I went to bed normally and suddenly I could not get him off my mind, I laid there for 4 hours unable to sleep and unable to get my mind off of him and the fight we had had days ago. I even took a sleep aid and could not sleep. I find myself wondering if it's happening because maybe I am picking up on him obsessing about it. Does that sound reasonable with his neptune being in my 12th house?

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    1. Hi thank you for visiting! Yes I do think that it's a possibility with his Neptune in your 12th its a very intuitive and psychic connection. where is your Neptune? This happens for me with my Neptune in the 1st house I can take in people's feelings, illness or a array of different things that pass through me temporarily. I have noticed this can happen from a distance when we have Neptune 12th house synastry as well.

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  20. My Neptune is in my 10th house in Scorpio and since I guess I'm what they would call a "Pluto person" since I have so many (5) planets in my 8th house, maybe that would mean something? I don't know. lol He also has his Mercury conjuncting my Sun in the 8th house and his Venus conjuncts my Venus as well as his Mars conjuncts my Mars. I think we are a bit obsessive about each other although he seemed to be feeling it the worst.

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  21. Oh and his Sun conjuncts my Sun too. lol

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    1. Wowza:) Mars conjunct Mars and Sun conjunct sun? Combust! Venus conjunct Venus is really good, you will like many of the same things and go about love a similar way. Obsessive, perhaps a bit and with your planets in the 8th I am sure it's not one way:)

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    2. Lol and last night I noticed his Saturn/Pluto conjunct opposes my moon too. I know the Pluto-Moon opposition would usually involve some obsession but not sure about the Pluto-Saturn conjunct opposing moon. Ya, I think we both feel a very strange draw to the other.

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  22. Two years ago I met a man with whom I had a one-night stand, thought of seeing only for that one night at a conference, yet continued to see each other for ten times during these two years. The moment we talked I felt like I knew him since always, and when started shring some details it was like we had the same growing up, same ambitions (my Sun is in Aries, his in Capricorn). He is much older than me, far better positioned, with flaws, yet a hero to me. He showed me where to go, was a teacher to me, yet he said I was too young for him and that was only thing that in his opinion is stop to a relationship of a serious kind. We had an affair that was hidden, even though I would have given everything to be with him full time. Too late I realized that I loved him unconditionally. We are from different countries. He got married, told me so and yet said that nothing will change. In other words he wanted us to remain in a hidden while he is married and has political career. Problem is that I feel like I know his soul. And that he doesn't know what is good for him. My Sun, Venus and MErcury are in Aries and fall into his 12th, my moon in Sagittarius falls int his 7th and 8th and his moon in Scorpio into my 5th and his jupiter into my 1st. So, you can imagine what kind of connection this still is. He is not letting me go, he comes into my dreams, only to message me next day.
    The whole story is like a novel really, with me running after him through half of the world, and yet he never asked anything more of me than comfort. Well you can imagine how the proposition to be his off-time mistress set with my Midhaven in Aries. However, I still cannot get him out of my head...like there is no better man out there. He was everything I wanted from a man, he broke all my barriers, and he was what I want to become as we run in more or less same line of business. So, it's painful when such love is not returned, like part of me is out there without a chance of getting it back.
    Lilly

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    1. Oh my....what a 12th house story:) this house leaves a deep imprint and we are often left with longings for what could have been. Such a mystical house - offers so much yet sometime so little. Best wishes to you darling and thank you for sharing your story :)

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